International, National and Local News: Business Pluss++ Photography: Your Choice For Change





"Justice is not free, but freedom comes from Justice"

By Erica M. Brooks

Welcome to my community platform. I'm looking forward to your feedback. www.erimon2.blogspot.com

Wednesday, February 9, 2011

Reply #52: Abraham Bolden and Ralph Yates too... [View All]

Democratic Underground Latest Threads
Latest
Greatest Threads
Greatest
Lobby
Lobby
Journals
Journals
Search
Search
Options
Options
Help
Help
Login
Login
Google

Reply #52: Abraham Bolden and Ralph Yates too... [View All]

Printer-friendly format Printer-friendly format
Printer-friendly format Email this thread to a friend
Printer-friendly format Bookmark this thread
This topic is archived.
First thread | Last thread
Home » Discuss » Archives » General Discussion (1/22-2007 thru 12/14/2010) Donate to DU
MinM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Wed Nov-19-08 08:48 PM
Response to Reply #49
52. Abraham Bolden and Ralph Yates too...
Edited on Wed Nov-19-08 09:05 PM by MinM
I'll say this much for the Aynesworth story -- It sounds very similar to the story of Ralph Yates:

JFK and the Unspeakable: Why He Died and Why It Matters
Most of us are aware of what happened to Richard Case Nagell. How he was railroaded and incarcerated after he was arrested in El Paso, Texas on September 20, 1963. (pgs. 152-158) But Douglass sheds light on what happened to three other important witnesses. Jim Wilcott and his wife worked for the Agency out of the Tokyo station. On the day of the assassination, Wilcott pulled a 24-hour security shift. That evening, more than one employee told him that the CIA had to have been involved in Kennedy's killing. When Wilcott asked how they knew this, the response was that they had handled disbursements for him under a cryptonym. Also, he had been trained by the Agency as a double agent at Atsugi. (pgs. 146-147) Later, both Jim and his wife quit the Agency. They then went public with their knowledge. Jim lost his private sector job, started receiving threatening phone calls, and had the tires on his car slashed.

Abraham Bolden was a Secret Service agent who had asked to leave the White House in 1961. He did not care for the lackadaisical practices of the White House detail. (p. 200) On October 30, 1963 Bolden was in Chicago when the local agents were briefed on what they knew about an attempt being planned on JFK's life there. After Vallee's arrest and the foiling of the plot, Bolden felt a foreboding about Kennedy's upcoming trip to Dallas. When Kennedy was killed, Bolden noted the similarities between what had occurred in Dallas and what almost occurred in Chicago. In May of 1964 he was in Washington for a Secret Service training program. (p. 215) He tried to contact the Warren Commission about what he knew. The day after his call to J. Lee Rankin, he was sent back to Chicago. Upon his arrival he was arrested. The pretense was that he was trying to sell Secret Service files to a counterfeiter. Upon his arraignment he was formally charged with fraud, obstruction of justice, and conspiracy. (Ibid) Needless to say, Bolden was convicted based upon perjured testimony. (The phony witness later admitted this himself.) He was imprisoned at Springfield where he was placed in a psychiatric unit. (p. 216) He was given mind-numbing drugs. But other inmates alerted him to the nature of the drugs in advance. So he knew how to fake taking the pills. While in prison, his family endured a bombing of their home, setting fire to their garage, and a sniper shooting through their window. Mark Lane, while working for Garrison, visited him in 1967. Lane then wrote about Bolden's knowledge of the plot in Chicago. When the prison authorities learned about this, they placed Bolden in solitary confinement. He was finally released in 1969.

Compared to the fate of Ralph Yates, Bolden did all right. On November 20, 1963 Yates was making his rounds as a refrigerator mechanic for the Texas Butcher Supply Company in Dallas. That morning he picked up a hitchhiker on the R. L. Thornton Expressway. The man had a package with him that was wrapped in brown paper. When Yates asked him if he would prefer to place it in the back of the pickup, the passenger said no. They were curtain rods and he would rather keep them in the cab. (p. 351) The conversation rolled around to the subject of Kennedy's upcoming visit. The man asked Yates if he thought it was possible to kill Kennedy while he was there. Yates said that yes, it was possible. The hitchhiker then asked if Yates knew the motorcade route. Yates said he did not, but it had been in the paper. The man asked if he thought it would now be changed. Yates said that he doubted it. The passenger asked to be let off at a stoplight near Elm and Houston. Yates then returned to his shop and told his colleague Dempsey Jones about the strange conversation. (p. 352)

After the assassination, Yates noted the hitchhiker's resemblance to Oswald. So he volunteered his experience with him to the FBI. They brought him back for a total of four interviews. It became clear they did not want to believe him. The reason being that Oswald was not supposed to be on the expressway at that time. They finally gave him a polygraph test. The agents then told Yates' wife that, according to the machine, her husband was telling the truth. But, they concluded, the reason was that "he had convinced himself that he was telling the truth. So that's how it came out." (p. 354) The FBI told Yates that he needed help. So they sent him to Woodlawn Hospital, where he was admitted as a psychiatric patient. To quote the author, "From that point on, he spent the remaining eleven years of his life as a patient in and out of mental health hospitals. " (Ibid) Such was the price for disturbing the equilibrium of the official story...
http://www.ctka.net/2008/jfk_unspeakable.html

http://www.rigorousintuition.ca/board/viewtopic.php?t=1...


Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top
Who was Lee Harvey Oswald? Octafish Nov-19-08 12:22 AM #0
Thank you, Octafish! An enthusiastic K and R! RufusTFirefly Nov-19-08 12:30 AM #1
You're welcome, RufusTFirefly! Thank you! Octafish Nov-19-08 12:42 AM #2
All you really need to know... JFKfanforever Nov-19-08 12:44 AM #3
Ex-CIA man James Wilcott testified to Congress that Oswald was a CIA employee. Octafish Nov-19-08 04:43 PM #38
Please accept my enthusiastic thanks for posting this! n/t truedelphi Nov-19-08 07:15 PM #44
One problem--Manchester's book looked at Oswald's finances after he died. mistertrickster Nov-20-08 03:59 PM #79
They would never disclose his W-2 statements nor his income taxes ... defendandprotect Nov-21-08 09:57 PM #112
A bit obvious, dont'cha think? RFKin2008 Nov-22-08 06:22 AM #140
Many CIA employees came forward to attest that Oswald was CIA -- they were harassed/intimidated... defendandprotect Nov-21-08 10:04 PM #113
I have no doubt right wing elements of our government killed Kennedy desktop Nov-20-08 10:19 AM #64
Hey! The Warren Commission must be true because Gerald Ford was on the commission dflprincess Nov-20-08 01:54 PM #73
So was Arlen Specter. old mark Nov-20-08 04:25 PM #81
Specter was an attorney to the Commission and is generally dflprincess Nov-20-08 05:25 PM #83
David Atlee Phillips even posed as a Liberal... MinM Nov-21-08 01:30 PM #109
Averill Harriman and John Foster Dulles too... MinM Nov-22-08 10:25 PM #142
K&R ToolTex Nov-19-08 12:47 AM #4
The Good Spy Octafish Nov-19-08 05:00 PM #41
YIKES 123infinity Nov-19-08 08:52 PM #53
On message: Another aging Warren Commission witness comes clean RufusTFirefly Nov-19-08 01:20 AM #5
What happened to the curtain rods? wtmusic Nov-19-08 01:33 AM #6
Oswald apparently brought them to work twice!! RufusTFirefly Nov-19-08 01:47 AM #8
After 40 Years, the First National Security Whistleblower Still Seeks Justice Octafish Nov-19-08 05:11 PM #42
Hugh Aynesworth played an important role in the media cover-up of the assassination of JFK MinM Nov-19-08 08:17 PM #49
Abraham Bolden and Ralph Yates too... MinM Nov-19-08 08:48 PM #52
Just finished reading Bolden's book and it is pretty good... jxnmsdemguy65 Nov-20-08 01:14 PM #69
Good book putting a lot on record for history ...again many wetre intimidated -- defendandprotect Nov-21-08 10:06 PM #114
He was a patsy like Oswald said that he was Ichingcarpenter Nov-19-08 01:34 AM #7
The Last Words of Lee Harvey Oswald Octafish Nov-20-08 03:35 PM #76
Thanks for posting. Ragazz68 Nov-21-08 10:52 PM #129
David Ferrie was born in 1918 and Oswald in 1938. JDPriestly Nov-19-08 01:56 AM #9
The second man from the left is clearly older than the others. aquart Nov-19-08 04:16 AM #13
that picture is Oswald as a teenager RainDog Nov-19-08 04:14 PM #36
I thought Ferrie looked the same age as the teenagers. JDPriestly Nov-20-08 02:17 AM #62
PBS - More about the Ferrie Photo Octafish Nov-20-08 03:50 PM #77
k&r'd -- we're doomed to repeat the history we don't know. snot Nov-19-08 02:01 AM #10
Oswald, the CIA and Mexico City -- What's Up with the Fake Oswald? Octafish Nov-20-08 04:52 PM #82
I think he was a patsy too. Assisted. The cover up is the betrayal of democracy though. upi402 Nov-19-08 02:02 AM #11
The JFK Assassination - A False Mystery Concealing State Crimes Octafish Nov-20-08 10:05 PM #96
I upi402 Nov-20-08 11:41 PM #97
I believe Oswald was just what he said he was - anotheryellowdog Nov-19-08 02:04 AM #12
Poppy Bush brought up the assassination at President Ford's funeral and chuckled. Octafish Nov-21-08 11:25 PM #133
Perhaps Gerald Ford's final authorized biography sheds new light on the assassination... AntiFascist Nov-22-08 02:58 AM #138
Oswald was a patsy and some sort of low level CIA/Navy Intelligence asset FKA MNChimpH8R Nov-19-08 04:21 AM #14
Also this supposed out-spoken Marine Communist ngant17 Nov-19-08 06:03 AM #15
"A former Marine does not defect to the USSR from Cold War America, Lydia Leftcoast Nov-20-08 12:35 AM #61
I can remember Oswald's mother claiming he was a spy for U.S. dflprincess Nov-20-08 01:51 PM #72
I believed her but then when so many ignored it ..I wasn't sure .. I was naive -- defendandprotect Nov-21-08 10:12 PM #115
Well said, Lydia FKA MNChimpH8R Nov-20-08 07:34 PM #91
Lee Harvey Oswald at Age 62 Octafish Nov-22-08 12:01 AM #135
Dr. Mellen left quite a bit out of that cherrypicking extravaganza boloboffin Nov-19-08 06:09 AM #16
Also, "the sixth floor of the Texas School Book Depository was the most likely origin of the shot" boloboffin Nov-19-08 06:57 AM #18
You are wasting your time. cobalt1999 Nov-19-08 08:18 AM #20
The only thing I hope to accomplish is showing the casual reader that we all don't fall for this boloboffin Nov-19-08 09:21 AM #23
Good idea. cobalt1999 Nov-19-08 09:30 AM #25
Why did you leave chemtrails out? wtmusic Nov-19-08 01:38 PM #33
Well, that's because Chem-trails are real cobalt1999 Nov-19-08 04:47 PM #39
But...but... wtmusic Nov-19-08 01:43 PM #34
There is that. boloboffin Nov-19-08 08:16 PM #48
If you only believe political conspiracies happen OUTSIDE the U.S. but NEVER to the U.S., then judasdisney Nov-19-08 05:33 PM #43
Are you trying to make sense and not succeeding? n/t boloboffin Nov-19-08 08:12 PM #47
Then enlighten us retards by explaining again your Magic Bullet Theory n/t judasdisney Nov-20-08 06:05 PM #85
There was no magic bullet theory. Connelly was seated lower and to the left of JFK. mistertrickster Nov-20-08 07:04 PM #87
And... Liberal OIF Vet Nov-20-08 08:23 PM #93
JFK's wound in rear was on RIGHT side of his SHOULDER at 45 degree DOWNWARD angle --- defendandprotect Nov-21-08 10:24 PM #117
I'm convinced that if there is a JFK conspiracy... Hippo_Tron Nov-19-08 08:52 PM #54
Yep and the Magic Bullet was real. MessiahRp Nov-19-08 11:33 AM #28
You see, that's what the people at the Discovery Channel just proved, yet again. boloboffin Nov-19-08 12:52 PM #30
No bullet can do what that bullet was said to have done MessiahRp Nov-19-08 12:55 PM #31
Actually it could have. boloboffin Nov-19-08 01:22 PM #32
No evidence will ever convince the tinfoilers they might be wrong. They would have to admit 123infinity Nov-19-08 08:55 PM #55
Sure he did...and Sadam really did have WMD... truebrit71 Nov-20-08 01:12 PM #68
The problem with this theory FKA MNChimpH8R Nov-20-08 07:43 PM #92
The Discovery Channel "proved" it using information from the Warren Commission report dflprincess Nov-20-08 01:48 PM #71
It's a bought-out History Channel -- totally dismantled and disabled ... defendandprotect Nov-21-08 10:27 PM #118
A team of Experts from Discovery Channel? Why didn't you say so? Case Closed! the other one Nov-19-08 03:40 PM #35
Clear Channel now owns it -- it's been dismantled ... defendandprotect Nov-21-08 10:28 PM #119
Obviously you've never been there -- he would have had to hang out window by his legs--!!! defendandprotect Nov-21-08 10:20 PM #116
...which, of course, you have read cover to cover .... tomp Nov-19-08 08:21 AM #21
As have you. boloboffin Nov-19-08 09:20 AM #22
Agreed. Oswald claims he did not have a rifle, but he was effing PHOTOGRAPHED mistertrickster Nov-20-08 06:58 PM #86
LOOK at the photo -- his head, someone else's body --- defendandprotect Nov-21-08 10:32 PM #120
True - but OP's like this follow in the Nazi tradition of "stabbed-in-the-back" conspiracy theory. apocalypsehow Nov-21-08 12:22 AM #100
The Nazi Connection to the John F. Kennedy Assassination Octafish Nov-21-08 09:38 AM #106
This is the man who encouraged HST to drop bomb on Japan --? defendandprotect Nov-21-08 10:35 PM #121
So, you're saying . . . martymar64 Nov-22-08 08:52 AM #141
Besmirching History: Vincent Bugliosi Assassinates Kennedy Again Octafish Nov-21-08 11:49 PM #134
K and R goclark Nov-19-08 06:44 AM #17
kr Progs Rock Nov-19-08 08:12 AM #19
Admiral Turner tried to clean out the CIA of the cowboys. formercia Nov-19-08 09:27 AM #24
Atsugi Assassins MinM Nov-19-08 11:21 AM #26
This also pops up in Peter Levenda's junofeb Nov-19-08 08:45 PM #51
No -- Oswald was trained by and worked for CIA and FBI -- defendandprotect Nov-21-08 09:52 PM #111
He was a mystery, shrouded in an enigma, slackmaster Nov-19-08 11:24 AM #27
I first heard of Oswald when I came home from school. bikebloke Nov-19-08 11:37 AM #29
What is truly amazing when you look back on those precomputer, dflprincess Nov-21-08 10:55 PM #131
Thank you. H2O Man Nov-19-08 04:20 PM #37
New Alaska Sen. Mark Begich's Father was U.S. Rep. Nick Begich -- died with Rep. Hale Boggs Octafish Nov-21-08 12:03 AM #99
Very interesting re Boggs & Bigich father dying in same plane crash .... defendandprotect Nov-21-08 10:39 PM #122
My husband bought me Mellen's book for Christmas after a previous recommendation from you. mod mom Nov-19-08 04:57 PM #40
Read Norman Mailer's "Oswald's Tale." DemoTex Nov-19-08 07:22 PM #45
Mailer is an idiot -- defendandprotect Nov-21-08 10:39 PM #123
This is hard to believe when read literally gristy Nov-19-08 08:10 PM #46
You have some reading to catch up with ... defendandprotect Nov-21-08 10:40 PM #124
Another excellent read that implicates the CIA, mob and Texas oilmen: Mafia Kingfish, bertman Nov-19-08 08:35 PM #50
K&R bobbiejo Nov-19-08 09:06 PM #56
He was a counterintelligence CIA agent Flute Nov-19-08 09:18 PM #57
CI/SIG held a 201 file on Lee Oswald prior to the assassination MinM Nov-21-08 12:26 AM #102
Just a lead singer for a band... meuniermr Nov-19-08 09:19 PM #58
My brother-in-law sent that pic awhile back with the tag "Thank you Dallas, and good night." apocalypsehow Nov-21-08 12:35 AM #103
This was fascinating! 8_year_nightmare Nov-19-08 10:27 PM #59
Midwest Today | WHO KILLED DOROTHY KILGALLEN? MinM Nov-27-08 10:46 PM #145
K&R! Pastiche423 Nov-20-08 12:28 AM #60
Hmmm, this looks interesting... AntiFascist Nov-20-08 03:09 AM #63
Too late to recommend, but I can kick it. n/t proReality Nov-20-08 10:51 AM #65
The conspiracy extension "magic bullet" types are so dim that they KCabotDullesMarxIII Nov-20-08 11:31 AM #66
It's our birth certificate moment. jobycom Nov-20-08 12:46 PM #67
And 45 years later.... Baby Snooks Nov-20-08 01:30 PM #70
Clay Shaw the CIA also had to admit was CIA .... defendandprotect Nov-21-08 10:42 PM #125
from Dallas Morning News - 11-16-08 Oswald co-worker no longer silent about JFK assassination role MrsBrady Nov-20-08 02:42 PM #74
This man saw.... Liberal OIF Vet Nov-20-08 02:52 PM #75
Oswald couldn't have separated the barrel from the stock? mistertrickster Nov-20-08 07:21 PM #88
Makes pefect sense.... Liberal OIF Vet Nov-20-08 08:26 PM #94
Doesn't everybody carry a gun in Texas? Sebastian Doyle Nov-20-08 08:31 PM #95
Boy ... defendandprotect Nov-21-08 10:45 PM #127
That should be a thread ...high levels of intimidation have to be understood ,,, defendandprotect Nov-21-08 10:44 PM #126
Thank you for the Big Picture, Octafish. robertpaulsen Nov-20-08 03:57 PM #78
Truth Seekers Mark D. Nov-20-08 04:04 PM #80
true, exit wounds are larger. how dumb can we be? upi402 Nov-20-08 11:45 PM #98
The Big Bankers, huh? Behind every BIG BADDIE deal in history, weren't they? I hear me some apocalypsehow Nov-21-08 01:48 AM #105
Yeah....it's not like we had genocide of natives, nor enslavement of ... defendandprotect Nov-21-08 10:53 PM #130
Keep posting ... defendandprotect Nov-21-08 10:48 PM #128
I don't know if the second shot came from the Grassy Knoll... AntiFascist Nov-22-08 12:10 AM #136
Here's info on John Roselli... AntiFascist Nov-22-08 02:11 AM #137
Kicking this up. David Zephyr Nov-20-08 05:27 PM #84
He certainly wasn't the character portrayed in The Warren Commission Report-kick bobthedrummer Nov-20-08 07:24 PM #89
An employee of Prescott Bush and Richard Nixon peanut2010 Nov-20-08 07:33 PM #90
Please read both sides before buying into the JFK conspiracy theories. kevinds13 Nov-21-08 12:25 AM #101
That's like asking a Fundamentalist Christian or Muslim to read Darwin or Anton LaVey apocalypsehow Nov-21-08 01:29 AM #104
The Trial of Lee Harvey Oswald MinM Nov-21-08 10:03 AM #107
The biggest problem... Liberal OIF Vet Nov-21-08 10:30 AM #108
"Oswald worked for CIA on high level assignments and probably for FBI" -- defendandprotect Nov-21-08 09:49 PM #110
I recommend "Executive Action" dflprincess Nov-21-08 11:17 PM #132
Cuba should be the one thing tying together the conspiracy... AntiFascist Nov-22-08 03:44 AM #139
Donald Sutherland wanted - Executive Action (1973) - subtitled C.I.A. MinM Nov-25-08 02:21 PM #143
Thirteen Days (2000) is another good one... MinM Nov-26-08 01:02 PM #144
The Parallax View (1974) | Original Trailer (& review) MinM Dec-01-08 03:27 PM #146
the scapegoat for kennedy murder spanone Dec-01-08 03:28 PM #147
Cut-outs, moles, patsies and provocateurs MinM Dec-02-08 08:44 PM #148
"HISTORY" CORRECTED 35 YEARS LATER BY PRIMARY SOURCES MinM Dec-04-08 10:06 PM #149
Lee Harvey Oswald was a US intel asset who was used as a patsy. TexasObserver Dec-04-08 10:10 PM #150

Home » Discuss » Archives » General Discussion (1/22-2007 thru 12/14/2010) Donate to DU

Powered by DCForum+ Version 1.1 Copyright 1997-2002 DCScripts.com
Software has been extensively modified by the DU administrators


Important Notices: By participating on this discussion board, visitors agree to abide by the rules outlined on our Rules page. Messages posted on the Democratic Underground Discussion Forums are the opinions of the individuals who post them, and do not necessarily represent the opinions of Democratic Underground, LLC.

Home | Discussion Forums | Journals | Store | Donate

About DU | Contact Us | Privacy Policy

Got a message for Democratic Underground? Click here to send us a message.

© 2001 - 2011 Democratic Underground, LLC

No comments:

Post a Comment